Leachers At Phat And Lack Of Games

[osic]

Phat LAN was great, well run and fun but I think having 350 people there there should of been more the 4 people playing CS:S at one time, or at least one big pub match of DC. What was with the leachers there? Is it normaly that bad? I had a guy near me sharing 1.2 Terabytes. I thogh you went to a LAN to LAN games? Im not having a go at the admins or anything, not like they could of done anything. And I guess there was the CS 1.6 players and DOD players who where serious but the only time we realy got to play a decent game was in the DC comp and prac beforehand

[DrSp3d]

dude one thing you have to realise before we get into a discussion on this one... lanners are one of the laziest bunch of people in the world.

unless you get on the mic and tell them that there is a game being run *other then CS 1.6, CS : S, or DoD* they honestly wont care.

i know it sucks but thats the way it is.

I tried to get a mass game of WolfET running at CCGL #20. It took me all wknd to hound everyone to install it and finally sunday morning i had about 25 people in the server.


its just a problem that most of us older lanners *18+* see aswell coz the younger guys can just be that lazy sometimes, we kinda stop caring....



but for future reference, if you want a game run, suggest it in the forums before hand and also when you get there go and speak to an admin and tell them what time you would like everyone to join in on this mass gaming frenzy and they will be more then happy to keep announcing it during the day :)

[MCUD]

The LAN has slowly been taken over by leachers

I remember the very first CCGL, there were so many different games being run, i had to CHOOSE between them.

I doubt i'll be coming back again. Thank god for DoD event, without it i'd probably have been stuck with CS :blink:

[MCUD]

*Whistles innocently*

nothing to see here

[DrSp3d]

you suck mcud

[blot0]

unfortunatly for the most part .. ALL lan's are getting taken over by leeches.. but for the most part because people to care enuff to actually organise a game of something, its easyer to sit there an whinge that <insert game here> isnt running / no people in the server.

but the shear fact of the matter is.. if YOU dont choose to get off your ass and do something about it.. then you have noone to blame but yourself for not making the most of your lanning experence.

[bugsy]

I think ccgl should become the 'gamer' event that it is meant to be... and COMPLETELY BAN LEECHING, any hint of a dc server running SHUT IT DOWN!!!

[General Fuct]

I noticed its been getting worse and worse, I know people want to leech stuff but why not make some regulations like DC Hubs are only allowed to be on between the hours of 12am to 9am thats 9 hours of leeching and the other 15 Hours can be gaming only.

In the gaming only time the only leeching should be patches/maps/addons for your games, we could use an FTP or good old windows file sharing...

All I got to play this lan was DC (comp) and a 8 player game of Call of Duty...not by choice, it was because there was nothing else happening.

Edit: on a side note I managed to leech everything I wanted (around 20gb) in less then an hour...what are people leeeching that takes 3 days??????

[BR3TT]

I was playing CSS and there was around 15 people in the server ( around 4 times)

I played CS and there was plenty.

Played some DC and there was around 10.

I don't leech much, but if you did ban leeching, you would see less people, and more CS.

It would be like NGL.

CS. No talking.

[Icefire]

If you ban your just gonna end up with more pub CS servers, leeching is good provided its not abused.

[James]

Originally posted by BR3TT@Jan 22 2005, 12:08 PM
I was playing CSS and there was around 15 people in the server ( around 4 times)

I played CS and there was plenty.

Played some DC and there was around 10.
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yeah, i was running the only CS:S serer dedicated on my machine for ages, dazza was helping by being admin for it while i was running around doing stuff.

Other than that server there was only one other dedicated up for a very short time. For a LAN of 350 ppl that wasnt many ppl playing CS: Source, was it? :P

Still, looking cheerfully for the next LAN, and trying to be more enthusiastic for the gaming situation

[DrSp3d]

I was chatting with fuct before and explained to him that most leechers are lazy, and if no one attempts to change nething, nothing will change.

like xLan afaik i was the only person in the last 6 mnths of the fact0ry who actually got off their ass and organised a lan there, and they were fkn fun.

anyone who wants to play a game needs to let people know what they need to play it and what its about. if people dont have the drive they wont care and just forget it, then people will just throw in the towel.

Lanners need directions. Im sry u guys but the general populus are either too lazy or too dumb to figure it out.

so if you want gaming then organise the files, eg mods, patches etc...

otherwise dont bother :D

[General Fuct]

Leeching should remain but limit its hours, seriously 20gb in less then an hour!!! What takes 3 days?

[ViLLaN]

Keep in mind that officially there is no leeching at Phatlan. If people choose to do it, there isnt much we can do to stop them. Its supposed to be a gaming event.

That being said, I didnt even bother bringing my pub servers this time, because in previous events, I had 4 pub games running 24/7.. Two DC, one BF, one BF:V.. I never had more than one or two people in all of them together.

Its the lanners who decide what they spend there time doing at the lan. If you want to see more games, actively get people to join in. Next lan we should have a couple of different things in place to let lanners know that there are games up, organise times.. That kind of thing.

[Smiley]

Originally posted by BR3TT@Jan 22 2005, 11:08 AM
I was playing CSS and there was around 15 people in the server ( around 4 times)

I played CS and there was plenty.

Played some DC and there was around 10.

I don't leech much, but if you did ban leeching, you would see less people, and more CS.

It would be like NGL.

CS. No talking.
68631

being an ex ngler myself i used to really enjoy it back around mid 2003 - mid 2004. But then they really cracked down on leeching and dc hubs etc.
Last ngl i went to was the first time that this was in place, and all i can say lans get verrrry boring when theres nothing to do in between long waits for games and tourneys. That wasnt the reason i dont go anymore btw cause theres no leeching.
Their numbers have fallen too by the looks, i cant speak on behalf on ngl, but thats my opinion, and many have come to the same conclusions as me.
If u want to crackdown on leeching, i first suggest u get a decent tournament and gaming structure worked out and get on the mic and get yelling ;).
One solution can be to increase the minimum share size on dc++ to about 100gb that will stop alot of ppl entering the hub ;).

[BR3TT]

hmm <_<

[Dezza Bot]

The only reason why I wasn't playing more cs/dod/dc was the lack of enought public servers. I'd have been up for hldm and cs:s as well, but most of my mates that were going didnt have them yet, so it wouldn't be nice on them to go play it and tell them to go play dod or something.
I was going to bring a dedicated server for gaming, but someone said no.

[osic]

The best DC game at the LAN was non dedicated, I had a couple of games of CS:S running non dedicated from my computer, I also had DC and BF ones at different times. I got all my friends in to these normaly (so thats 5 or 6 already). What do you want me to do, get it announced over the PA? Most people are wearign headphones.

Looking back I could of stayed at home and played on online servers, with heaps more people in the servers, more relable, with no power problems etc. But it was a great experence. Mabie next time I might actualy leach somthing.

[coogle]

MMMM... after being at SGL today, Phat lan did better.

370 peopel

200 Leeches
100 CS
70 misc

What a waste time.

Now to Phat.

It seems that people are only interested now in comps/games for prizes, probably due to the proliferation of broadband.
Maybe what it needs is a list of games that get run at certain times, not comp related. Say DC 8-9, 1942 9-10. So that people can know the servers are going to be up.

Say 10 different games.
Give guaranteed location for updates for the games.
Limit the number of open spots. say 2 servers for multiplayer games, 8 for RTS.
Make sure spectating happens up on the big screen.
A message is put out 5 minutes before, and at the time in as many spots as possible. Local IRC, DC, Loudspeakers (with game sounds if poss)

Now this is the most important point. Everyone who wants gaming to prevail joins. No matter if you are over the game or not, you play.

Make it desirable to play over lan, make them feel they are missing out if they don't join. The more screens showing a game = more peer pressure. To put it bluntly......

My thoughts....

make it a big small lan again.
Oh... and ban people from the DC hub with more than 50gig shared. Will mean they have to get out of DC and re-hash smaller folders at the absolute minimum. ;)

[Kaygo]

Originally posted by osic@Jan 22 2005, 03:54 PM
What do you want me to do, get it announced over the PA? Most people are wearign headphones.
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Yes. How are people going to know you're hosting? The intranet was down the entire event due to bad planning, so your only way of telling people about games were:

1. PA system
2. Word of Mouth
3. Lanners actively searching for games

Just because people wear head phones doesnt mean they cant hear when someone is talking on the Mic.. You may miss the first few words, but most people will take off their head phones when they hear the noise of someone talking loudly.

As i've said in other threads, i will be working on opening the communication channels up between admin/admin, admin/lanner and lanner/lanner for up coming events, but in the end if you want a game, do what ever it takes to get the people aware of the server, otherwise you're being just as lazy as everyone else :P

[Mlloyd60]

I usually go there to leech/socialise, but i want to get a half decent graphics card and start learning a few games. Especially now that i have 17" CMV 8Ms.

Have to test it out and cristen it :)

[BeStRaFe]

leeching at a lan is a given, we all must get out latst copies of linux distro's and critical updates

i tried to limit leeching at the lan by setting priority for games as the highest on the switches.

i say game. if not game... get the game on

[MaJ]

or we can become NGL nazi's.

[BeStRaFe]

ngl isnt that bad.... they have no clue when not usin standard protocals

EG
FTP

[Robbo]

not sure about everyone else but the group around me was playing games all the time we had like 10 games of warcraft 3 , played CS , i played CS:s like for 2 hours. Its a question of whether your their to game or what.

1 Thing i hate more than anythink is someone who shows up for a lan and only stays friday nite to leach i tell them to go root themselves.

2 thing i hated was the fact i got 30 Requests for slot pfff i was playing games and ppl winging about not getting any slots wait ur turn ffs.

I left most of my uploading going while i was playing a game but limited the bandwith back so i could play and ppl winging cus of speed and ppl still requesting slots from me..... lucky enough even to have slots when i was playing. Fortunate that i even left DC running while playing War3 and Cs.

I saw 2 ppl at the lan with the above reason just for the leaching. Didnt play 1 game. Top specs on their pc eg 9800xt'x etc . So i Blocked Their Ip's Thatl teach them monkeys a lesson.

A Lan is not a leach fest. Everyone knows that a lan with a good bit of gaming and maybe a little sharing afterwards makes a good lan. Leaching just takes the fun outa lan.

Maybe ppl should think about having a great game with your fellow lanners and then think privilaged to be able to share with your friends things. Cus there is no I in LAN

[coogle]

Yeah, net limiter is your friend. I was usually locking DC down to 1000kb, so the people that connected shared that bandwidth :)

The rest of the time I was gaming at various things (in between sweating) ;)

I still like the idea of a simple game timetable.

[General Fuct]

Here Here Robbo well said.

A time table would be a great idea coupled with an FTP with all the patches/addons/mods would be a handy thing to have too.

give people pleanty of time so theres this "I don'tr have it on BS" I'd come into the lan see whats being played and procede to install everything I need so I'm rocking and ready to go...

[Tango_Charlie]

I know this is presumptuous of me to comment at this point and I do apologise for it, but I'd like to add my thoughts if I may. The unfortuantely reality is that if you ban leeching or otherwise come down on it heavily, you are going to cost yourselves numbers and not in a small way. I know that since we've started to crack down on them, we've taken big hits in overall attendance, it'll normalise I'm sure, but it'll take a while.

That said, I think that it's a load of rubbish that LANs should have to cater to all day leeching. I don't believe that leeching is morally wrong or anything, I just think it isn't conducive to what a LAN's objectives are. People say it's boring at LANs between comps and there is nothing else to do, but there are LOTS of other things that you can do at a LAN. Bring along an Xbox or 4 maybe, or a Gamecube - Mario Party and Monkey ball are AWESOME party games. You can hire in pinball tables or air hockey tables or pool tables for around $150 a pop (maybe a bit more for pool. but not much more), maybe a group of attendees could rent one or two out and charge $1 a game to cover their expenses (trust me, people queue up to play these things). There's also tonnes of great old PC games like Midtown Madness 2 or Revolt or jDoom. There's lots of alternatives to just sitting around bored, you just have to put the old noodle to work and come up with something.

But like XL said, the vast majority of LANners are sadly very lazy :(

[bugsy]

hmmm thats an idea, we should have mini comps ie pool, fooseball pinball etc

[coogle]

MMM.. then again, if numbers drop cause people can't leech well, then maybe that's a good thing. It could only hurt lans if 'official' people turn up and there are 'unoffical' type things going on.

I still think the core gamers need to make a stand, as in if there is a game going, join it. Even if it's not a fav or you get owned in it all the time.

[ViLLaN]

In addition to this.. The intranet has a feature in it where you can actually advertise games and things that you would like to organise.

Next lan I will be adding a number of organised DC / BF games to the schedule, and I will be hosting pub servers for the rest of the time. ANYONE can add games to the schedule through the intranet, so if you want to let people know about a game you want to play, put the details up and set a time for a game.

[osic]

It would be nice if we knew the Intranet address next time. Sorry for wearing headphones for most of the LAN but mabie a poster or sign up somewhere.

[elektrixxx]

yeah and can we have somebody that doesnt talk over the p.a like a retard. that was really pissin me off at phatlan. he sounded like jimmy off south park.

[coogle]

:)

[AlCaTrAzz]

i'm thinking a solution to this problem is organise some sort of ultimate gamers league... where u play each lan to gain points on the ladder... but each lan is a different game... HOWEVER... if we do team based games instead of the single player games... or maybe do both? this could be alot of fun ;D

what do u think?

[ViLLaN]

The intranet wasnt up at Phatlan due to issues beyond Kaygo (the intranet administrators) control. It should be up and running next lan, no problems.

The main issue seems to be getting other people into the games, we need to get future lans to use the intranet as a hub for communication. The facilities are there to organise everything needed, its just a matter of getting people to use it.

[Domo-Kun]

alc you copy cat, CLGA has that

[riot]

i think we should move on from gay ass CS 1.6, its had its day. move forward CS:S i was playing it with BR3TT, and also hosted a server about 3 times with about 8 ppl on it.

but i think the comp should move on to CS:S well as soon as they have anti cheat software on it anyways.

[ViLLaN]

There are allready hacks out for source.. But meh..

I imagine that the main reason that it hasnt moved to CS:S yet, is that not everyone can afford it, or has a legit copy. Anyone who has ever owned CS is entitled to version 1.6 however. We dont want to limit participation by basing comps on a new version that not everyone owns.

[DrSp3d]

Originally posted by Tango_Charlie+Jan 23 2005, 07:34 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tango_Charlie @ Jan 23 2005, 07:34 PM)</div>Bring along an Xbox

But like XL said, the vast majority of LANners are sadly very lazy* :(
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[/b]

I did that on saturday night and had burnout 3 on the big screen, was awesome fun. Then beefcake too the projector home and ruined our fun :(

<!--QuoteBegin-elektrixxx@Jan 23 2005, 09:45 PM
yeah and can we have somebody that doesnt talk over the p.a like a retard. that was really pissin me off at phatlan. he sounded like jimmy off south park.
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K im taking it you arent a regular CCGLer. That was the whole point. Come to CCGL more and you will realise that whilst being serious about gaming we also like to joke around and keep the atmosphere as enjoyable and fun as possible.

And maybe next time you will realise that if someone says something on the mic like that and another 20 people respond in a similar fashin... does that say inside joke ?????

lighten up...

[AlCaTrAzz]

MEAT PIES!!!

[MR2]

They tawk our jeewbs ;) (love it)

[BR3TT]

FFS Mick I was gonna say that :(

[Brainless]

MINE!

[coogle]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.. no again.. :)

[Dezza Bot]

Originally posted by Robbo@Jan 23 2005, 12:42 PM
I saw 2 ppl at the lan with the above reason just for the leaching. Didnt play 1 game. Top specs on their pc eg 9800xt'x etc . So i Blocked Their Ip's Thatl teach them monkeys a lesson.68795

:blink: How did you manage to watch em the whole lan and still manage go get some decent gaming in? And how did you find out what videocards they have? and why does the videocard matter anyway? I know bestrafe used to have a 9800pro in his server lol

[AlCaTrAzz]

hmm... i have a TNT2 in my server... and i've still gamed on that before! ;)

[Domo-Kun]

can someone explain the "they took out jobs" thing to me?

[AlCaTrAzz]

MINE!!!

[James]

Originally posted by Domo-Kun@Jan 24 2005, 07:17 PM
can someone explain the "they took out jobs" thing to me?
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hehe
two words

south park.


:lol:


BACK TO THE PILE!

[mouse]

The intranet thing has never worked very well. I think everyone should install dc++ and you could announce the games on it :D

[coogle]

Okay, it was -.. I admit.... is this better?

[BR3TT]

That's so leet..

Deserves a new thread.

We need a GarrysMod Picture thread.. :)

[ViLLaN]

The intranet is the best communication point we have, it has all the facilities that you could ever ask for. If you dont make use of it, thats your loss, but communication will be based around the intranet in the future.

[MaJ]

/me rofls his pants off

[ads0r]

:huh:

[MR2]

Originally posted by cowstaker@Jan 24 2005, 08:08 PM
The intranet thing has never worked very well. I think everyone should install dc++ and you could announce the games on it* :D
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You are yet to experiance Dave(Kaygo)'s new 'u'beaut' Intranet though...you'll be eating your hat B)

[Domo-Kun]

Originally posted by James@Jan 24 2005, 07:45 PM
hehe
two words

south park.
:lol:
BACK TO THE PILE!
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meh, southpark got old a couple years back

[Messenjah]

I don't think that leeching is the problem when gaming. Sure, most people leeched, but everyone around me stopped when a game was up. I put up several games of HL2:DM and everyone around me stopped leeching and came in and played. If games are better oranised, games that aren't just for comps, then you'll find that more people will play games and less leeching will occur. The best way to decrease leeching and still keep the current numbers is to provide a better alternative. One such alternative is having public games that people can play running and announced throughout the entire event.

Better communication is a must. The only form of constant communication was via the dcc hub. If an irc server was set up or something along those lines, then people would have a better idea of what's going on and what's being played when, and you would get more gamers and less leechers.

[ViLLaN]

Yeah, its just the same idea over and over again..

This is why a scheduling mechanism has been built into the intranet..

1. Login.
2. Add a public game of DC at 2pm on the schedule.
3. Other people see that the game is listed.
4. All people join the game and much fun is had by all.

[LogiK]

I reckon if you use something like netsend maybe 10 mins be4 a game it will work out and everyone would join

[ViLLaN]

net send will also knock anyone currently in games out of them. There is to be no use of net send at the lans, I would go as far as advising people to disable there messenger service before attending.

[Dezza Bot]

Originally posted by Messenjah@Jan 25 2005, 01:49 AM
I put up several games of HL2:DM69019

I think that's the issue here... If I'd known there was ANY hl2dm server up, I'd have dropped everything and joined it.... but unfourtnatly I knew nothing about it... personally I blame steam, cuz before steam you could search from within hl and find/join servers running other mods from there. Maybe I should just install SQ or ASE :sigh:

As Villan has said, net send will not work

[AlCaTrAzz]

any1 net sends and i rape them with the ugly stick...

[Duckslayer]

/me remembers the lan where 80% got hit with a mass netsend

[AlCaTrAzz]

./me blushes...

[coogle]

hahaah.. one of the first things I disable....

Well, can't wait to see the new and improved intranet, sounds awesome.

[Domo-Kun]

netsend is also auto-disabled in SP2

[James]

Originally posted by Dezza Bot@Jan 25 2005, 09:48 AM
personally I blame steam, cuz before steam you could search from within hl and find/join servers running other mods from there.** 69044


err, you still can, with the added benefit that you can search for LAN games through steam BEFORE you enter the actual game.

[Beneh]

Or just slist in console..

[James]

yeah, that works too anarchist, i was just sayin how you can use steam to browse for HL2:DM or CS:S or DOD or CS 1.6 servers or anything without even being in the respective game, so you can easily check if any servers are up in a few seconds, so sitting there saying " i wouldve played that if I knew a server was up, but i couldnt be bothered to spend 6 seconds checking if a server was up" aint really fair, now is it :)

[AlCaTrAzz]

i still prefer SQ so i can see every game i play...

there is more to life than the HL and HL2 engine u kno...

[coogle]

I've tried AllseeingEye, but it seems more set up for internet usage.

[James]

Originally posted by coogle@Jan 25 2005, 10:59 AM
I've tried AllseeingEye, but it seems more set up for internet usage.
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yeah, for some reason ASE even wants a net connection when you're searching for LAN servers sometimes.

[coogle]

Originally posted by AlCaTrAzz@Jan 25 2005, 10:35 AM
i still prefer SQ so i can see every game i play...

there is more to life than the HL and HL2 engine u kno...
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SQ?

And shouldn't that be play every game you see? ;)

[James]

Originally posted by coogle@Jan 25 2005, 03:28 PM
SQ?

And shouldn't that be play every game you see? ;)
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SQ= server query... like ASE, but more LAN-oriented.

I wasn't aware they had a new version out

[coogle]

Just looked at ASE, but didn't seem to have a lot of games, or at least the games I play normall.

[James]

ASE supports nearly every game that is playable online...

[coogle]

Sorry.. was looking at a different browser.. like asn or something... Anyway, ASE seems way too complex for a simple lan browser.

Looking at Severquery and Xfire, which even has IM inbuilt.

[AlCaTrAzz]

xfire > all

xfire.com

[WirlWind]

err, just quickly, i tried to get into half life source and CS:S and whatnot but i couldnt get steam to log on cuz people were raping the net connection. Maybe next time enable it ONLY for steam or whatever. maybe a faster connection will be worthwhile?

[Beneh]

You should have been able to use offline mode anyways, keep it updated and such and ya wont get that problem

[coogle]

MMM.. why does everyone forget this... OFFLINE mode WILL NOT WORK, if steam get's rooted, and needs to log back in.

And sometimes, it get's rooted, just by rebooting.. which you have to do before a lan :)

[AlCaTrAzz]

thats where u need to backup your clientregistry.blob file

[coogle]

nah.. there's a little problem, when you copy steam back in, it works fine if the internet is there. BUT. If you lose your registry, as in steam isn't in there anymore, it doesn't stay resident when you restart your computer.

Finally worked this out, fing thing. And of course they dont' mention this phenomenon on the support pages, cause everyone has broadband................

[mouse]

Originally posted by MR2@Jan 24 2005, 11:51 PM
You are yet to experiance Dave(Kaygo)'s new 'u'beaut' Intranet though...you'll be eating your hat B)
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I forgot the sarcasm quotes around my post. You see i was posting about how good dc is in an anti leeching thread, oh never mind.

[Robbo]

Ive said what i wanted to say b4 but i thought on saturday night when what his face installed a BT tracker. Brilliance i recon. It would be a better alternative in the fact that downloads would be alot faster and no only downloading from the main seeds but to be downloading from peers would be a great notion. The problem with this is the time making the torrent files, all files individually would have to have their own torrent files. Maybe we could set up a tracker with the newest stuff eg recent released stuff.... best of the best with ppl able to upload files. This would be great for when ppl want to play games one seed may fall off and still seeds available........

Just a thought. Its not that hard to set it up.

[MaJ]

huh leeching?

sif smoke crack

theres no leeching at ccgl.

[ViLLaN]

I resisted up to this point...

But CCGL does not condone leaching at all.. Considering this is a thread about leeching being bad.. Can you please refrain from telling us how good BT would be on our network.

[linux_inside v2]

if you take away leeching you will lose those people who dont wanna game
dont be wankers by forcing poeple into stuff they dont want
if you get rid of DC++ people will no longer come and im one of them

[coogle]

4 Words... Central Coast GAMERS Lan :)

I'm not going to bother coming anymore if people don't up their priority for game playing. :huh:

[James]

Originally posted by linux_inside v2@Jan 30 2005, 02:14 AM
if you take away leeching you will lose those people who dont wanna game
dont be wankers by forcing poeple into stuff they dont want
if you get rid of DC++ people will no longer come and im one of them
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no offence, but if you want to continue your illegal practises, do it at a friends house with internet, but come to our LAN to play games :)

coogle's exactly right, you go to have fun and to play games, thats what the facilities we provide are there for.

not to sit huddled at your computer and download off DC and watch anime all LAN
(ive seen tons of people do it

[Duckslayer]

James, If people want to watch Anime, that is their choice.....at least they are out of the house. Banning DC++ will make the numbers drop. And its this simple, get a server up, get a few friends to join, talk to an admin and get a msg across and you'll be right. If no one joins and because: 1 they are in another game, 2 they are doing something else or 3 They hate you

[ViLLaN]

Im closing this thread, its been awhile since there was actually anything usefull being added to to it.

As stated earlier. CCGL doesnt not condone the ILLEGAL act of sharing software. There will be no OFFICIAL DC++ server, or any sharing, at any of our lans.