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RavenKittie
22-02-2005, 11:02 AM
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Marge Simpson, left, and her sister Patty Bouvier, right, with Patty's girlfriend in last night's "Simpsons."

Source: Here (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/21/arts/television/21simpsons.html?ex=1109653200&en=9ddbcfa34be1ce21&ei=5070)

Simpsons' Animates Gay Nuptials, and a Debate
By SHARON WAXMAN

Published: February 21, 2005

LOS ANGELES, Feb. 20 - In the ongoing culture wars over whether gays should have the right to marry, an animated question reared its head on Sunday prime-time television: as goes "The Simpsons," does the nation go, too?

In an episode titled "There's Something About Marrying," a longtime character on Fox's 15-year hit - it was Marge Simpson's sister Patty Bouvier, a closely held secret until the 8 p.m. broadcast - came out of the closet while Homer Simpson conducted dozens of same-sex weddings after small-town Springfield legalized the unions in a bid to increase tourism. As television's longest-running situation comedy, "The Simpsons" is no stranger to hot-button social, religious and political issues, mocking wardrobe malfunctions, Hollywood liberals and born-again Christians, among other targets.

But when a show as mainstream and popular as this takes on one of the most divisive issues in American society, it is certain to attract attention. Bookmakers in the United States and England were taking bets as to which character would be revealed as homosexual, and whether there would be a kiss - a nod, perhaps, to the popular programming gimmick of having lesbian characters lock lips during sweeps periods like the current one.

But mostly, television experts, fans and advocates for gay marriage ruminated over the larger significance of the moment.

"The issue was mainstream to some degree, but now that they've deigned it worthy of the show it is interwoven into the fabric of popular culture," said Ray Richmond, a television columnist for The Hollywood Reporter and co-editor of the anthology "The Simpsons: A Complete Guide to Our Favorite Family."

He added, " 'The Simpsons' bestows upon something a pop culture status it never had before, simply by virtue of being ripe for a joke."

(BetUS.com posted odds on the kiss at 7 to 5, and laid odds on Patty as the favorite to come out of the closet.)

Not unexpectedly, culture warriors were swift to weigh in, both for and against the cartoon's treatment of the issue.

"It's saying to those who demonize homosexuality, or what they call the homosexual agenda, anything from 'Lighten up' to 'Get out of town,' " said Marty Kaplan, associate dean of the University of Southern California's Annenberg School of Communication and host of a media show on the talk radio network Air America. "It sounds as though they're saying that what the religious right calls 'the homosexualist agenda,' as if it were creeping Satanism, is: these people are your neighbors in the Springfield that is America."

Indeed, in some ways the Simpsons' fictional hometown, Springfield, has become a surrogate for mainstream, small-town America, with Homer its bumbling working-class hero. The closest parallel may well be the endearing though intolerant Archie Bunker, who became a symbol of working-class America in the 1970's show "All in the Family."

L. Brent Bozell III, president of the Parents Television Council, criticized "The Simpsons" for addressing the issue of gay marriage, though he cautioned that he had not seen the episode. A parental advisory preceded the broadcast.

"At a time when the public mood is overwhelmingly against gay marriage, any show that promotes gay marriage is deliberately bucking the public mood," he said.

"I'd rather them not do it at all," he added. "You've got a show watched by millions of children. Do children need to have gay marriage thrust in their faces as an issue? Why can't we just entertain them?"

The show's writers could not be reached for comment, and Fox declined to comment.

Since debuting in 1989, "The Simpsons" has commonly skewered the most sensitive topics of social, religious, political and cultural debate. The culture, in turn, has returned the favor. "The Simpsons" has been featured in at least one university philosophy course, in which Homer was used as a tool to understand Aristotle, Kant and Nietzsche, and in a mathematical course to explore topics like calculus and Riemannian geometry.

The show, now in its 16th season, still garners strong ratings, while reruns of episodes from past years are broadcast continually on Fox. It has become a billion-dollar franchise for the network, spawning lucrative DVD packages, books and consumer merchandise.


Ooooer :P

Icefire
22-02-2005, 11:10 AM
I heard something like this was about to happen a while ago, its funny how something so small causes so much contreversy just because its a cartoon that people of all ages view, since when did homosexuality become something that can only be discussed or shown to people over the age of 15.

Frankly I dont think this is any different to any other show on TV that portrays gays or lesbians, Will and Grace or south park, dont have any problem but because they are a higher viewer rating PG - M and are viewed by older people its completely different.

Some things piss me off I can just imagine all these over protective mothers complaining saying how they dont want thier little boy Johnny knowing about homosexuals.

*sigh*

coogle
22-02-2005, 11:31 AM
"I'd rather them not do it at all," he added. "You've got a show watched by millions of children. Do children need to have gay marriage thrust in their faces as an issue? Why can't we just entertain them?"

Dur, this person is missing the point. If kids see it, it's not an issue to them.
Heck if kids see things as not issues, then when they grow up they aren't issues.
Just another case of social issue in the guise of 'morality'.

Kinda like that gay couple with the kids that were shown at the amusement park on playschool.

Sevendust
22-02-2005, 01:46 PM
Noddy was cancelled because he was caught in bed with Big Ears. I doubt The Simpsons will get cancelled because of this. I call bias!

AlCaTrAzz
22-02-2005, 03:06 PM
thomas the tank engine was cancelled cos a male train was pulling along 2 female carridges...

BR3TT
22-02-2005, 04:38 PM
TRUCK OFF

Thomas The Tank Engine was mad

Icefire
22-02-2005, 04:40 PM
And a pimp too

Jimmeh
22-02-2005, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by AlCaTrAzz@Feb 22 2005, 04:06 PM
thomas the tank engine was cancelled cos a male train was pulling along 2 female carridges...
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Yeh but think about it... What 3-5 year old kid (whom it is intended for) Is going to understand that

and towards the simpsons thing, they have had ALOT worse.... I dunno if anyone will remember it but a while back they had that latenight MA15+ rated one and homer got stoned or somethign and was tripping out.... how are lesbians coming out worse then drug use..... also homer's constant alcohol drinking why havn't parents picked up on that.... Think about it.. If that was a normal human we would be dead by now

Icefire
22-02-2005, 05:32 PM
Also cant see it any different to the episode with the gay guy who was friends with homer.

Nor the constant comments that Smithers makes to Mr Burns

MaJ
22-02-2005, 06:35 PM
Simpsons have a contract till 2008. They aint goin nowhere...

DrSp3d
23-02-2005, 08:01 AM
I am keeping my comments to myself on this matter :)

But hey, I'll leave saying this. If you love someone why the f*** would a piece of paper mean anything to you. :D

Have Fun Everyone !

Sevendust
23-02-2005, 08:27 AM
^^^ Tax benefits. Plus after 30 years I think husband/wife sounds better than boyfriend/girlfriend/life partner when describing to people.

moochie
23-02-2005, 10:39 AM
I don't see the big deal about gay people. Why are there so many homophobics out there??? I have grown up with gay family members and have had many gay friends in my life and i have never understood what all those narrow minded peoples deal is.

Nobody complains about the blatant violence on the simpsons. What about when bob was planning to kill selma (i think, coulda been patty) and all the times he tried to kill bart.

What about that episode when Lisa rebels and she goes into the bathroom and the other PRIMARY school girls are smoking??

These people need to figure out their priorities in life. Either that or just shut up and get on with it. If our younger generation can get past the narrow minded opinions of our older generation then just think of what a better future the world holds for us in that respect.

AlCaTrAzz
23-02-2005, 11:01 AM
i <3 lesbians

Icefire
23-02-2005, 12:10 PM
I think the problem is not enough lesbian loving

Jimmeh
23-02-2005, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by moochie@Feb 23 2005, 11:39 AM
Nobody complains about the blatant violence on the simpsons. What about when bob was planning to kill selma (i think, coulda been patty) and all the times he tried to kill bart.

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Or what about the death letters bob writes to bart IN HIS OWN BLOOD

What type of message is that sending.....

DrSp3d
23-02-2005, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by Sevendust@Feb 23 2005, 10:27 AM
^^^ Tax benefits. Plus after 30 years I think husband/wife sounds better than boyfriend/girlfriend/life partner when describing to people.
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your reasons for this are financial ones :| man i feel sorry for your future girlfriend / wife

and after 30 years, if your in love would you two even hold a title, and if it came down to that i'd rather be called by what most gay and lesbians call themselves "life partners"

but hey, most of you guys havent got the first clue about being gay and the issues involved, so just lock this thread before it turns into a war...

Tempus
23-02-2005, 06:12 PM
Being gay is so 90's.

Hehe. Jokes xL, just jokes bro.

Sevendust
23-02-2005, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by xL@Feb 23 2005, 07:15 PM
your reasons for this are financial ones :| man i feel sorry for your future girlfriend / wife
I was replying to your earlier question: If you love someone why the f*** would a piece of paper mean anything to you?
That piece of paper entitles a couple to provide for each other and their families with greater ease than those without that piece of paper. That is one reason why it would mean something to couples/families. I would not marry someone for monetary gain, it would be purely to proclaim my love and dedication to her. I also believe both gay and straight couples alike should have the ability to make their partnership "official".

Duckslayer
23-02-2005, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by Sevendust@Feb 23 2005, 07:45 PM
I was replying to your earlier question: If you love someone why the f*** would a piece of paper mean anything to you?
That piece of paper entitles a couple to provide for each other and their families with greater ease than those without that piece of paper. That is one reason why it would mean something to couples/families. I would not marry someone for monetary gain, it would be purely to proclaim my love and dedication to her. I also believe both gay and straight couples alike should have the ability to make their partnership "official".
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This isnt the case these days, changes in legislation have allowed people to have the same rights and responsiabilites under the law. The only difference really is if a couple breaks up, They go to district rather than family court. Marriage is a church thing anyway, and Im not a churchy and I dont have homosexuals eithers..... But I do feel that marraige should stay between a man and a woman, simply because a) it is legislated that way B) it is an age old tradition and shouldnt be broken.....

As xL stated, it doesnt matter about the peice of paper if you love the person, and at the end of the day if one of the Life Patners dies, the widow recieves everything a wife/husband would recieve.... including children